After the leaked audio began to spread of President Trump and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows speaking with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, lawyers, and others, people have begun to suspect something explosive will be revealed by the Trump administration soon.
President Trump begins the call by getting straight to the point: “So we’ve spent a lot of time on this, and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.”
The president then went into detail about the various types of fraud and irregularities that have the backing of actual evidence. After listing a few, Trump said: “Brad, I think you agree with that, right?”
Most people understand that asking questions like “Are you sure?” or “You agree with that, right?” is usually leading somewhere. Adults ask their children leading questions like that to see if they are lying: “Are you sure the lamp broke by itself?” or “So you agree that stealing is wrong, right?” These questions often establish whether someone is willing to lie, or tell the truth.
President Trump repeatedly asks questions like this during the phone call, almost as if he already knows the answer but he wants to catch Raffensperger in a lie.
The president continues the call, listing different accusations of fraud and irregularities such as dead voters, out-of-state voters, people who voted twice, and suspicious ballot dumps.
After Trump finished his list of irregularities, Mark Meadows jumps in before Raffensperger can respond.
Meadows wants to know if the Georgia Secretary of State can actually do his job and investigate the allegations. “What I’m hopeful for is there some way that we can, we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully?” the White House Chief of Staff asked.
Brad Raffensperger then goes on to try to explain away all of the fraud, calling all of Trump’s claims incorrect, without actually providing any evidence to back it up.
Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert and President Trump also chastised Raffensperger for not providing any internal data about the election. Hilbert said that he had requested the information several times, but he has been “rebuffed every single time.”
Without giving specific answers as to what information can be released, Raffensperger’s office’s general counsel, Ryan Germany, said: “Well, that’s not the case, sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And there’s things that under law, we are not allowed to give out.”
“Well, under law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results, okay? You’re not allowed to do that. And that’s what you’ve done. This is a faulty election result,” President Trump responded.
Mark Meadows tried to smooth things out between the two sides, saying “It sounds like we’ve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those areas, and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours, to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state’s data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?”
Unfortunately, he was unsuccessful. “No, that’s not what I said. I’m happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to him, hey, here’s, based on what we’ve looked at so far, here’s how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong,” Germany responded.
Meadows clarified Germany’s statement: “So what you’re saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure . . . so what you’re saying is you really don’t want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?”
Germany responded: “I don’t think we can give access to data that’s protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say —”
President Trump interjected: “But you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, right?”
It appears that the two sides cannot come to an agreement to actually examine the hard data and either prove or disprove the allegations. Raffensperger and his cronies have made their decision, they don’t want any actual investigation, they just want to sweep allegations under the rug.
President Trump tweeted about the phone call, writing: “I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the “ballots under table” scam, ballot destruction, out of state “voters”, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2021
From the tone and line of questioning by Meadows and President Trump, it seems that they have more information than they are letting on. Hopefully everything will be revealed before January 6.
Jim Hoft, of the news outlet The Gateway Pundit, made an announcement that seems to corroborate the idea that the White House chief of staff and the president have more information about the corruption of the Georgia elections and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
Hoft tweeted, “Report: White House Planning to Refer Brad Raffensperger to Secret Service for Investigation Under the Espionage Act”.
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) January 4, 2021
Here is the full audio of the phone call that was leaked to the media: